211565814 Guy III DE FOREZ

  General Notes:

GUY [III] de Forez, son of GUY [II] Comte de Forez & his wife Guillelme --- (-Acre 28 Nov [1202], bur Acre, Church of St John). Pope Alexander III confirmed an agreement between "Guigoni Forensi comiti…et filium tuum Guigonem" and the archbishop of Lyon concerning the church of Lyon, by bull dated 1 Apr 1173[126]. "Guigo comes Forensis et…Guigo filius eius" donated property to the monastery of Val-Benoît by charter dated 1184[127]. Comte de Forez. "Guigo comes Lugdunensis atque Forensis" donated property to the abbey of Bénissons Dieu, with the consent of "uxor eius…Alix…coram patre meo Guigone comite" by charter dated 1201[128]. La Mure's Histoire des Comtes de Forez reports the death at Acre of Comte Guy "suivant les mémoires du sieur de Laval" and his burial "en l'église…[des] chevaliers de Saint-Jean de Jérusalem", dating the event to after a charter he issued in France dated 1202 and before the election of Baudouin IX Count of Flanders as emperor in 1204, settling for 1202 as the year of his death[129]. The necrology of Saint-Thomas-en-Forez records the death "IV Kal Dec" of "Guigo comes"[130]. "R…Lugdunensis ecclesiæ archiepiscopus" donated property to Cluny, as instructed by "Guidonis fratris mei comitis Forensis" who had assigned "comitatum Forensem in manu mea nomine tutelæ liberorum ipsius, nepotum meorum", to found an anniversary for his brother, with the consent of "patris mei et nepos meus Guigo et sorores eius Guigona et Marquissa et uxor fratris mei Adaladix comitissa", by charter dated Dec 1203[131]. The dating of this charter suggests that 1202 was the correct year of Comte Guy's death, as it is unlikely that news of the event could have reached western Europe from the near East by Dec 1203 if he has died at the end of the previous month. His place of burial is confirmed by the charter dated 1215 under which his brother "Raynaudus…primæ Lugdunensis ecclesiæ minister" founded an anniversary for "fratris nostri Guigonis comitis Foresii…qui sepultus fuit apud Accon in ecclesia Hospitalis", with the consent of "Guigonis nepotis nostri"[132].

m firstly (repudiated) ASCURAA, daughter of ---. The fact of this first marriage is confirmed by the charter dated Mar [1241/42] under which "Guillermus de Bafes miles" recorded his agreement with "Guiodum de Foreis" which names "comes Guido de Foreis, defunctus, avus meus…ex parte prime uxoris sue legittime, que fuit mater matris mee" and adds that Guy [III] Comte de Forez was also father of "comes Guido de Nevers, pater dicti Guidi" by his second wife married during the lifetime of his first wife[133]. Her name is confirmed by the charter dated 1244 under which her grandson "Guillelmus de Bafia junior" reached agreement with "G. comitem Forensem" concerning his rights to "toto comitatu Forensi" which he held "jure hereditario partim nomine avie mee l'Ascuraa…mater mea unica filia et heres ipsius…filia unica comitis Forensis Guigonis Branda et neptis comitis patri Magni", with the consent of "domino Guillelmo de Bafia patre nostro"[134]. As discussed in more detail below, Boudet misinterprets the source which confirms "S" as the initial letter of the name of Ascuraa's daughter as applying to Ascuraa herself, and suggests that "Ascuraa" was a nickname[135]. A suggestion about her family origin is made by Durand who points out that an article in the charter dated 1244, which records the settlement between the Baffie and Forez families, provides that "le comte Guy V" will help "Guillaume de Baffie" to enter in possession of "la terre de Saint-Bonnet" if "Dauphine fille de Josserand de Saint-Bonnet vient à mourir sans enfants"[136], and concludes that "on est amené à conclure que l'Ascuraa elle-même était une fille de la maison de Saint-Bonnet" through whom Guillaume de Baffie had a legitimate claim to inherit the territory[137].

m secondly ALIX, daughter of --- (-before 21 Aug 1222, bur Bonlieu). "Guigo comes Lugdunensis atque Forensis" donated property to the abbey of Bénissons Dieu, with the consent of "uxor eius…Alix…coram patre meo Guigone comite" by charter dated 1201[138]. According to La Mure, she was "Alix…de Sully" but he cites no primary source which confirms that this is correct[139]. If this family origin is right, from a chronological point of view she must have been the daughter of Gilles [III] Seigneur de Sully who died in [1195]. However, none of the names associated with the Sully family are found among her descendants and, until further information comes to light, there seems to be an insufficient factual basis to show the connection by hyperlink, even in square brackets. Another indication of her family origin is provided by the charter dated Oct 1220 under which "Rainaudus et Hulricus, fratres, filii quondam vicecomitis Matisconensis" granted property "quicquid habebant ultra Ligerim…Croset" to "Guigoni comiti Forisiensi nepoti nostro"[140]. The precise family relationship between the comtes de Forez and vicomtes de Mâcon has not been traced, but it may have been through the mother of the donee under this charter, Guy [IV] Comte de Forez. "Patris mei et nepos meus Guigo et sorores eius Guigona et Marquissa et uxor fratris mei Adaladix comitissa" consented to the charter dated Dec 1203 under which "R…Lugdunensis ecclesiæ archiepiscopus" donated property to Cluny, as instructed by "Guidonis fratris mei comitis Forensis" who had assigned "comitatum Forensem in manu mea nomine tutelæ liberorum ipsius, nepotum meorum", to found an anniversary for his brother[141]. Her date of death is set by the charter dated 21 Aug 1222 under which "Comes Forensis Guigo" donated property to the abbey of Bénissons Dieu, for the soul of "Alasiæ matris meæ bonæ memoriæ"[142]. Her place of burial is confirmed by the charter dated Jun 1225 under which "Guigo comes Forensis" donated property to the abbey of Bénissons Dieu, for the burial of "matris nostræ"[143].

Guy [III] & his first wife had one child
Guy [III] & his second wife had [six] children

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  Death Notes:

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Guy married Ascuraa DE XXX about 1180.

Guy next married 211565815 Alix DE XXX about 1185. (211565815 Alix DE XXX was born before 1165 and died before 21 Aug 1222.)

  Marriage Notes:

A eu 6 enfants dont Xxx serait la dernière
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